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Stuart_Armstrong's Shortform

Sounds like a special case of crisp infradistributions (ie, all partial probability distributions have a unique associated crisp infradistribution)

Given some , we can consider the (nonempty) set of probability distributions equal to  where  is defined. This set is convex (clearly, a mixture of two probability distributions which agree with  about the probability of an event will also agree with  about the probability of an event).

Convex (compact) sets of probability distributions = crisp infradistributions.

Introduction To The Infra-Bayesianism Sequence

You're completely right that hypotheses with unconstrained Murphy get ignored because you're doomed no matter what you do, so you might as well optimize for just the other hypotheses where what you do matters. Your "-1,000,000 vs -999,999 is the same sort of problem as 0 vs 1" reasoning is good.

Again, you are making the serious mistake of trying to think about Murphy verbally, rather than thinking of Murphy as the personification of the "inf" part of the  definition of expected value, and writing actual equations.  is the available set of possibilities for a hypothesis. If you really want to, you can think of this as constraints on Murphy, and Murphy picking from available options, but it's highly encouraged to just work with the math.

For mixing hypotheses (several different  sets of possibilities) according to a prior distribution , you can write it as an expectation functional via  (mix the expectation functionals of the component hypotheses according to your prior on hypotheses), or as a set via  (the available possibilities for the mix of hypotheses are all of the form "pick a possibility from each hypothesis, mix them together according to your prior on hypotheses")

This is what I meant by "a constraint on Murphy is picked according to this probability distribution/prior, then Murphy chooses from the available options of the hypothesis they picked", that  set (your mixture of hypotheses according to a prior) corresponds to selecting one of the  sets according to your prior , and then Murphy picking freely from the set .


Using  (and considering our choice of what to do affecting the choice of , we're trying to pick the best function ) we can see that if the prior is composed of a bunch of "do this sequence of actions or bad things happen" hypotheses, the details of what you do sensitively depend on the probability distribution over hypotheses. Just like with AIXI, really.
Informal proof: if  and  (assuming ), then we can see that

and so, the best sequence of actions to do would be the one associated with the "you're doomed if you don't do blahblah action sequence" hypothesis with the highest prior. Much like AIXI does.


Using the same sort of thing, we can also see that if there's a maximally adversarial hypothesis in there somewhere that's just like "you get 0 reward, screw you" no matter what you do (let's say this is psi_0), then we have

And so, that hypothesis drops out of the process of calculating the expected value, for all possible functions/actions. Just do a scale-and-shift, and you might as well be dealing with the prior , which a-priori assumes you aren't in the "screw you, you lose" environment.


Hm, what about if you've just got two hypotheses, one where you're like "my knightian uncertainty scales with the amount of energy in the universe so if there's lots of energy available, things could e really bad, while if there's little energy available, Murphy can't make things bad" () and one where reality behaves pretty much as you'd expect it to(? And your two possible options would be "burn energy freely so Murphy can't use it" (the choice , attaining a worst-case expected utility of  in  and  in ), and "just try to make things good and don't worry about the environment being adversarial" (the choice , attaining 0 utility in , 1 utility in ).

The expected utility of  (burn energy) would be 
And the expected utility of (act normally) would be 

So "act normally" wins if , which can be rearranged as . Ie, you'll act normally if the probability of "things are normal" times the loss from burning energy when things are normal exceeds the probability of "Murphy's malice scales with amount of available energy" times the gain from burning energy in that universe.
So, assuming you assign a high enough probability to "things are normal" in your prior, you'll just act normally. Or, making the simplifying assumption that "burn energy" has similar expected utilities in both cases (ie, ), then it would come down to questions like "is the utility of burning energy closer to the worst-case where Murphy has free reign, or the best-case where I can freely optimize?"
And this is assuming there's just two options, the actual strategy selected would probably be something like "act normally, if it looks like things are going to shit, start burning energy so it can't be used to optimize against me"

Note that, in particular, the hypothesis where the level of attainable badness scales with available energy is very different from the "screw you, you lose" hypothesis, since there are actions you can take that do better and worse in the "level of attainable badness scales with energy in the universe" hypothesis, while the "screw you, you lose" hypothesis just makes you lose. And both of these are very different from a "you lose if you don't take this exact sequence of actions" hypothesis. 

Murphy is not a physical being, it's a personification of an equation, thinking verbally about an actual Murphy doesn't help because you start confusing very different hypotheses, think purely about what the actual set of probability distributions  corresponding to hypothesis  looks like. I can't stress this enough.

Also, remember, the goal is to maximize worst-case expected value, not worst-case value.

 

Introduction To The Infra-Bayesianism Sequence

There's actually an upcoming post going into more detail on what the deal is with pseudocausal and acausal belief functions, among several other things, I can send you a draft if you want. "Belief Functions and Decision Theory" is a post that hasn't held up nearly as well to time as "Basic Inframeasure Theory".

Introduction To The Infra-Bayesianism Sequence

If you use the Anti-Nirvana trick, your agent just goes "nothing matters at all, the foe will mispredict and I'll get -infinity reward" and rolls over and cries since all policies are optimal. Don't do that one, it's a bad idea.

For the concave expectation functionals: Well, there's another constraint or two, like monotonicity, but yeah, LF duality basically says that you can turn any (monotone) concave expectation functional into an inframeasure. Ie, all risk aversion can be interpreted as having radical uncertainty over some aspects of how the environment works and assuming you get worst-case outcomes from the parts you can't predict.

For your concrete example, that's why you have multiple hypotheses that are learnable. Sure, one of your hypotheses might have complete knightian uncertainty over the odd bits, but another hypothesis might not. Betting on the odd bits is advised by a more-informative hypothesis, for sufficiently good bets. And the policy selected by the agent would probably be something like "bet on the odd bits occasionally, and if I keep losing those bets, stop betting", as this wins in the hypothesis where some of the odd bits are predictable, and doesn't lose too much in the hypothesis where the odd bits are completely unpredictable and out to make you lose.

Introduction To The Infra-Bayesianism Sequence

Maximin, actually. You're maximizing your worst-case result.

It's probably worth mentioning that "Murphy" isn't an actual foe where it makes sense to talk about destroying resources lest Murphy use them, it's just a personification of the fact that we have a set of options, any of which could be picked, and we want to get the highest lower bound on utility we can for that set of options, so we assume we're playing against an adversary with perfectly opposite utility function for intuition. For that last paragraph, translating it back out from the "Murphy" talk, it's "wouldn't it be good to use resources in order to guard against worst-case outcomes within the available set of possibilities?" and this is just ordinary risk aversion.

For that equation , B can be any old set of probabilistic environments you want. You're not spending any resources or effort, a hypothesis just is a set of constraints/possibilities for what reality will do, a guess of the form "Murphy's operating under these constraints/must pick an option from this set."

You're completely right that for constraints like "environment must be a valid chess board", that's too loose of a constraint to produce interesting behavior, because Murphy is always capable of screwing you there.

This isn't too big of an issue in practice, because it's possible to mix together several infradistributions with a prior, which is like "a constraint on Murphy is picked according to this probability distribution/prior, then Murphy chooses from the available options of the hypothesis they picked". And as it turns out, you'll end up completely ignoring hypotheses where Murphy can screw you over no matter what you do. You'll choose your policy to do well in the hypotheses/scenarios where Murphy is more tightly constrained, and write the "you automatically lose" hypotheses off because it doesn't matter what you pick, you'll lose in those.

But there is a big unstudied problem of "what sorts of hypotheses are nicely behaved enough that you can converge to optimal behavior in them", that's on our agenda.

An example that might be an intuition pump, is that there's a very big difference between the hypothesis that is "Murphy can pick a coin of unknown bias at the start, and I have to win by predicting the coinflips accurately" and the hypothesis "Murphy can bias each coinflip individually, and I have to win by predicting the coinflips accurately". The important difference between those seems to be that past performance is indicative of future behavior in the first hypothesis and not in the second. For the first hypothesis, betting according to Laplace's law of succession would do well in the long run no matter what weighted coin Murphy picks, because you'll catch on pretty fast. For the second hypothesis, no strategy you can do can possibly help in that situation, because past performance isn't indicative of future behavior.

Belief Functions And Decision Theory

So, first off, I should probably say that a lot of the formalism overhead involved in this post in particular feels like the sort of thing that will get a whole lot more elegant as we work more things out, but "Basic inframeasure theory" still looks pretty good at this point and worth reading, and the basic results (ability to translate from pseudocausal to causal, dynamic consistency, capturing most of UDT, definition of learning) will still hold up.

Yes, your current understanding is correct, it's rebuilding probability theory in more generality to be suitable for RL in nonrealizable environments, and capturing a much broader range of decision-theoretic problems, as well as whatever spin-off applications may come from having the basic theory worked out, like our infradistribution logic stuff.

It copes with unrealizability because its hypotheses are not probability distributions, but sets of probability distributions (actually more general than that, but it's a good mental starting point), corresponding to properties that reality may have, without fully specifying everything. In particular, if an agent learns a class of belief functions (read: properties the environment may fulfill) is learned, this implies that for all properties within that class that the true environment fulfills (you don't know the true environment exactly), the infrabayes agent will match or exceed the expected utility lower bound that can be guaranteed if you know reality has that property (in the low-time-discount limit)

There's another key consideration which Vanessa was telling me to put in which I'll post in another comment once I fully work it out again.

Also, thank you for noticing that it took a lot of work to write all this up, the proofs took a while. n_n

Less Basic Inframeasure Theory

So, we've also got an analogue of KL-divergence for crisp infradistributions. 

We'll be using  and  for crisp infradistributions, and  and  for probability distributions associated with them.  will be used for the KL-divergence of infradistributions, and  will be used for the KL-divergence of probability distributions. For crisp infradistributions, the KL-divergence is defined as

I'm not entirely sure why it's like this, but it has the basic properties you would expect of the KL-divergence, like concavity in both arguments and interacting well with continuous pushforwards and semidirect product.

Straight off the bat, we have:

 

Proposition 1: 

Proof: KL-divergence between probability distributions is always nonnegative, by Gibb's inequality.

 

Proposition 2: 

And now, because KL-divergence between probability distributions is 0 only when they're equal, we have:

 

Proposition 3: If  is the uniform distribution on , then 

And the cross-entropy of any distribution with the uniform distribution is always , so:

 

Proposition 4:  is a concave function over .

Proof: Let's use  as our number in  in order to talk about mixtures. Then,

Then we apply concavity of the KL-divergence for probability distributions to get:

 

Proposition 5: 


At this point we can abbreviate the KL-divergence, and observe that we have a multiplication by 1, to get:

And then pack up the expectation

Then, with the choice of  and  fixed, we can move the choice of the  all the way inside, to get:

Now, there's something else we can notice. When choosing , it doesn't matter what  is selected, you want to take every  and maximize the quantity inside the expectation, that consideration selects your . So, then we can get:

And pack up the KL-divergence to get:

And distribute the min to get:

And then, we can pull out that fixed quantity and get:

And pack up the KL-divergence to get:

 

Proposition 6: 

To do this, we'll go through the proof of proposition 5 to the first place where we have an inequality. The last step before inequality was:

Now, for a direct product, it's like semidirect product but all the  and  are the same infradistribution, so we have:

Now, this is a constant, so we can pull it out of the expectation to get:

 

Proposition 7: 

For this, we'll need to use the Disintegration Theorem (the classical version for probability distributions), and adapt some results from Proposition 5. Let's show as much as we can before showing this.

Now, hypothetically, if we had

then we could use that result to get

and we'd be done. So, our task is to show

for any pair of probability distributions  and . Now, here's what we'll do. The  and  gives us probability distributions over , and the  and  are probability distributions over . So, let's take the joint distribution over  given by selecting a point from  according to the relevant distribution and applying . By the classical version of the disintegration theorem, we can write it either way as starting with the marginal distribution over  and a semidirect product to , or by starting with the marginal distribution over  and you take a semidirect product with some markov kernel to  to get the joint distribution. So, we have:

for some Markov kernels . Why? Well, the joint distribution over  is given by  or  respectively (you have a starting distribution, and  lets you take an input in  and get an output in ). But, breaking it down the other way, we start with the marginal distribution of those joint distributions on  (the pushforward w.r.t. ), and can write the joint distribution as semidirect product going the other way. Basically, it's just two different ways of writing the same distributions, so that's why KL-divergence doesn't vary at all.

Now, it is also a fact that, for semidirect products (sorry, we're gonna let  be arbitrary here and unconnected to the fixed ones we were looking at earlier, this is just a general property of semidirect products), we have:

To see this, run through the proof of Proposition 5, because probability distributions are special cases of infradistributions. Running up to right up before the inequality, we had

But when we're dealing with probability distributions, there's only one possible choice of probability distribution to select, so we just have

Applying this, we have:


The first equality is our expansion of semidirect product for probability distributions, second equality is the probability distributions being equal, and third equality is, again, expansion of semidirect product for probability distributions. Contracting the two sides of this, we have:

Now, the KL-divergence between a distribution and itself is 0, so the expectation on the left-hand side is 0, and we have

And bam, we have  which is what we needed to carry the proof through.

John_Maxwell's Shortform

Potential counterargument: Second-strike capabilities are still relevant in the interstellar setting. You could build a bunch of hidden ships in the oort cloud to ram the foe and do equal devastation if the other party does it first, deterring a first strike even with tensions and an absence of communication. Further, while the "ram with high-relativistic objects" idea works pretty well for preemptively ending a civilization confined to a handful of planets, AI's would be able to colonize a bunch of little asteroids and KBO's and comets in the oort cloud, and the higher level of dispersal would lead to preemptive total elimination being less viable.

Introduction to Cartesian Frames

I will be hosting a readthrough of this sequence on MIRIxDiscord again, PM for a link.

Needed: AI infohazard policy

So, here's some considerations (not an actual policy)

It's instructive to look at the case of nuclear weapons, and the key analogies or disanalogies to math work. For nuclear weapons, the basic theory is pretty simple and building the hardware is the hard part, while for AI, the situation seems reversed. The hard part there is knowing what to do in the first place, not scrounging up the hardware to do it.

First, a chunk from Wikipedia

Most of the current ideas of the Teller–Ulam design came into public awareness after the DOE attempted to censor a magazine article by U.S. anti-weapons activist Howard Morland in 1979 on the "secret of the hydrogen bomb". In 1978, Morland had decided that discovering and exposing this "last remaining secret" would focus attention onto the arms race and allow citizens to feel empowered to question official statements on the importance of nuclear weapons and nuclear secrecy. Most of Morland's ideas about how the weapon worked were compiled from highly accessible sources—the drawings which most inspired his approach came from the Encyclopedia Americana. Morland also interviewed (often informally) many former Los Alamos scientists (including Teller and Ulam, though neither gave him any useful information), and used a variety of interpersonal strategies to encourage informational responses from them (i.e., asking questions such as "Do they still use sparkplugs?" even if he wasn't aware what the latter term specifically referred to)....

When an early draft of the article, to be published in The Progressive magazine, was sent to the DOE after falling into the hands of a professor who was opposed to Morland's goal, the DOE requested that the article not be published, and pressed for a temporary injunction. After a short court hearing in which the DOE argued that Morland's information was (1). likely derived from classified sources, (2). if not derived from classified sources, itself counted as "secret" information under the "born secret" clause of the 1954 Atomic Energy Act, and (3). dangerous and would encourage nuclear proliferation...

Through a variety of more complicated circumstances, the DOE case began to wane, as it became clear that some of the data they were attempting to claim as "secret" had been published in a students' encyclopedia a few years earlier....

Because the DOE sought to censor Morland's work—one of the few times they violated their usual approach of not acknowledging "secret" material which had been released—it is interpreted as being at least partially correct, though to what degree it lacks information or has incorrect information is not known with any great confidence.

So, broad takeaways from this: The Streisand effect is real. A huge part of keeping something secret is just having nobody suspect that there is a secret there to find. This is much trickier for nuclear weapons, which are of high interest to the state, while it's more doable for AI stuff (and I don't know how biosecurity has managed to stay so low-profile). This doesn't mean you can just wander around giving the rough sketch of the insight, in math, it's not too hard to reinvent things once you know what you're looking for. But, AI math does have a huge advantage in this it's a really broad field and hard to search through (I think my roommate said that so many papers get submitted to NeurIPS that you couldn't read through them all in time for the next NeurIPS conference), and, in order to reinvent something from scratch without having the fundamental insight, you need to be pointed in the exact right direction and even then you've got a good shot at missing it (see: the time-lag between the earliest neural net papers and the development of backpropagation, or, in the process of making the Infra-Bayes post, stumbling across concepts that could have been found months earlier if some time-traveler had said the right three sentences at the time.)

Also, secrets can get out through really dumb channels. Putting important parts of the H-bomb structure in a student's encyclopedia? Why would you do that? Well, probably because there's a lot of people in the government and people in different parts have different memories of which stuff is secret and which stuff isn't.

So, due to AI work being insight/math-based, security would be based a lot more on just... not telling people things. Or alluding to them. Although, there is an interesting possibility raised by the presence of so much other work in the field. For nuclear weapons work, things seem to be either secret or well-known among those interested in nuclear weapons. But AI has a big intermediate range between "secret" and "well-known". See all those Arxiv papers with like, 5 citations. So, for something that's kinda iffy (not serious enough (given the costs of the slowdown in research with full secrecy) to apply full secrecy, not benign enough to be comfortable giving a big presentation at NeurIPS about it), it might be possible to intentionally target that range. I don't think it's a binary between "full secret" and "full publish", there's probably intermediate options available.

Of course, if it's known that an organization is trying to fly under the radar with a result, you get the Streisand effect in full force. But, just as well-known authors may have pseudonyms, it's probably possible to just publish a paper on Arxiv (or something similar) under a pseudonym and not have it referenced anywhere by the organization as an official piece of research they funded. And it would be available for viewing and discussion and collaborative work in that form, while also (with high probability) remaining pretty low-profile.

Anyways, I'm gonna set a 10-minute timer to have thoughts about the guidelines:

Ok, the first thought I'm having is that this is probably a case where Inside View is just strictly better than Outside View. Making a policy ahead of time that can just be followed requires whoever came up with the policy to have a good classification in advance all the relevant categories of result and what to do with them, and that seems pretty dang hard to do especially because novel insights, almost by definition, are not something you expected to see ahead of time.

The next thought is that working something out for a while and then going "oh, this is roughly adjacent to something I wouldn't want to publish, when developed further" isn't quite as strong of an argument for secrecy as it looks like, because, as previously mentioned, even fairly basic additional insights (in retrospect) are pretty dang tricky to find ahead of time if you don't know what you're looking for. Roughly, the odds of someone finding the thing you want to hide scale with the number of people actively working on it, so that case seems to weigh in favor of publishing the result, but not actively publicizing it to the point where you can't befriend everyone else working on it. If one of the papers published by an organization could be built on to develop a serious result... well, you'd still have the problem of not knowing which paper it is, or what unremarked-on direction to go in to develop the result, if it was published as normal and not flagged  as anything special. But if the paper got a whole bunch of publicity, the odds go up that someone puts the pieces together spontaneously. And, if you know everyone working on the paper, you've got a saving throw if someone runs across the thing.

There is a very strong argument for talking to several other people if you're unsure whether it'd be good to publish/publicize, because it reduces the problem of "person with laxest safety standards publicizes" to "organization with the laxest safety standards publicizes". This isn't a full solution, because there's still a coordination problem at the organization level, and it gives incentives for organizations to be really defensive about sharing their stuff, including safety-relevant stuff. Further work on the inter-organization level of "secrecy standards" is very much needed. But within an organization, "have personal conversation with senior personnel" sounds like the obvious thing to do.

So, current thoughts: There's some intermediate options available instead of just "full secret" or "full publish" (publish under pseudonym and don't list it as research, publish as normal but don't make efforts to advertise it broadly) and I haven't seen anyone mention that, and they seem preferable for results that would benefit from more eyes on them, that could also be developed in bad directions. I'd be skeptical of attempts to make a comprehensive policy ahead of time, this seems like a case where inside view on the details of the result would outperform an ahead-of-time policy. But, one essential aspect that would be critical on a policy level is "talk it out with a few senior people first to make the decision, instead of going straight for personal judgement", as that tamps down on the coordination problem considerably.

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