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Gödel II and Löb's theorem

Edited by Jaime Sevilla Molina last updated 21st Jul 2016

The abstract form of Gödel's second incompleteness theorem states that if P is a provability predicate in a consistent, axiomatizable theory T then T⊬¬P(┌S┐) for a disprovable S.

On the other hand, Löb's theorem says that in the same conditions and for every sentence X, if T⊢P(┌X┐)→X, then T⊢X.

It is easy to see how GII follows from Löb's. Just take X to be ⊥, and since T⊢¬⊥ (by definition of ⊥), Löb's theorem tells that if T⊢¬P(┌⊥┐) then T⊢⊥. Since we assumed T to be consistent, then the consequent is false, so we conclude that T¬⊢¬P(┌⊥┐).

The rest of this article exposes how to deduce Löb's theorem from GII.

Suppose that T⊢P(┌X┐)→X.

Then T⊢¬X→¬P(┌X┐).

Which means that T+¬X⊢¬P(┌X┐).

From Gödel's second incompleteness theorem, that means that T+¬X is inconsistent, since it proves ¬P(┌X┐) for a disprovable X.

Since T was consistent before we introduced ¬X as an axiom, then that means that X is actually a consequence of T. By completeness, that means that we should be able to prove X from T's axioms, so T⊢X and the proof is done.

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